LINES OF LATITUDE AND LONGITUDE ARE DISTORTED TO HIDE THE FLAT EARTH or
DISTORTIONS OF LATITUDE AND LONGITUDE MAKE FLAT EARTH SEEM LIKE A SPHERE or
DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR FLAT EARTH ADVOCATES TO CONTEND THAT DISTORTIONS AND/OR STRETCHING OF LINES OF LATITUDE AND LONGITUDE ON BOTH LAND MASSES AND OCEANS MAKE THE SPHERICAL EARTH MODEL SEEM TO BE CORRECT ON LAND MASSES BUT IT FAILS ON THE OCEANS WHERE IT REALLY CANNOT BE VERIFIED?
PROBLEM STATEMENT AND RESPONSE by T. Mark Hightower 9/19/2017
SUMMARY OF THIS ARGUMENT USED IN FAVOR OF FLAT EARTH THEORY
I cited to a flat earth advocate how the closest distance between Perth Australia and Sydney Australia on the spherical earth model is a little over 2000 miles, whereas the closest distance between these two cities on the flat earth model (azimuthal equidistant map most often cited and shown by flat earth model advocates) is over 5000 miles.And surely Australians would know that the 2000 mile distance makes sense if they have driven and/or flown between these two cities, whereas the 5000 mile distance is absurd. How can flat earth advocates explain this?The explanation I got from the flat earth advocate I posed the question to was that the azimuthal equidistant map is not a correct flat earth map and that they do not yet have a completely correct flat earth map. Also it was stated that, and here I am doing the best I can to explain how I understood what was said, there is evidence that on land masses on the earth the latitudes and longitudes are distorted and/or stretched to make them come out consistent with the spherical earth model, but out on the oceans where you can’t really know where you are and nobody can check these things, further distortion and/or stretching is done to make it appear that the spherical earth model is correct, when in reality the earth is actually flat.
Although I did not push the point in my conversation with the flat earth advocate, based on the above explanation it seems like flat earth advocates are not able to tell us where well established geographical locations on the earth such as major cities are on their flat earth map.
T MARK HIGHTOWER’S RESPONSE
When I heard the above explanation I thought it seemed to make some sense although I couldn’t quite visualize how this might work.Later as I have reflected upon this more, I believe that this explanation is convoluted and incoherent.I find it difficult to explain or to prove that the explanation is convoluted and incoherent.
But if I can bring in some other information that is often seen presented by flat earth theory advocates I think I can clearly show that there is a serious problem here of convolution and incoherence.Flat earth theory advocates often show the disk shaped flat earth represented by the azimuthal equidistant map and they show the sun and moon circling around the disk in order to explain why those on the earth see what they see and that it is consistent with their flat earth theory.However, as soon as they claim that the sun and moon are circling around the disk shaped flat earth and that is why we anywhere on the earth see what we see, they have just implied that those on the earth can know where they are on the earth in terms of the flat earth model and its map.
But it was previously said that flat earth advocates do not yet have a flat earth map.I say if they do not have a flat earth map, they have no business speculating about what is moving around above their undefined flat disk shaped earth.
My challenge to flat earth theory advocates is that they should start locating well know geographical locations on their flat earth map.May I suggest the following list of cities well distributed on the earth:Sao Paulo, Brazil; Johannesburg, South Africa; Sydney, Australia; Perth, Australia; San Francisco, United States; New York City, United States; Santiago, Chile; London, England; Berlin, Germany; Moscow, Russia; New Delhi, India; Beijing, China; Tokyo, Japan; Honolulu, Hawaii.
If flat earth theory advocates know how the stars, wandering stars, sun, and moon travel above the flat earth, they should be able to use this knowledge to locate where all of these cities are on the flat disk shaped map of the flat earth, and establish where any other cities or locations are on it as well.
END OF PROBLEM STATEMENT AND RESPONSE by T. Mark Hightower 9/19/2017
I am a Christian Universalist, All will ultimately be saved through Jesus Christ (1 Cor 15:22), a retired NASA engineer, a student of conspiracy theories, and started blogging in 2017 initially due to concern about the emergence of the flat earth movement, within which many Biblical literalists claim the earth is actually flat and that this truth has been hidden by Satan and science and NASA in the greatest of all conspiracies to keep people from the truth of God. I have ended up blogging on a variety of topics since then. In May 2020 I had the privilege and honor of being a reviewer of the English version of the book “The Ground Zero Model” by physicists Heinz Pommer and Colleagues. On the occasion of writing my review of the book, I updated my bio which is given below.
T. Mark Hightower has both B.S. & M.S. degrees in chemical engineering from San Jose State University. He initially worked in the chemical industry and then worked for NASA for 25 years as a federal government employee, where he took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. He retired from NASA in 2015.
His work at NASA included space life support systems for future long duration missions, hazardous materials management, arc jet testing of heat shield materials for spacecraft entry into planetary atmospheres, hyper velocity free flight aerodynamic testing of spacecraft and aircraft models in enclosed terrestrial ballistic range, facility water management including drinking water, storm water, industrial waste water, water conservation and reclamation, pollution prevention, above ground storage tanks, and climate change risk management. While at NASA he also served in the Ames Federal Employees Union as secretary, deputy chief steward, and vice president for safety.
He became a born again student of conspiracy theories in January 2004 after stumbling upon Peter Meyer's Serendipity web site and learning that controlled demolition was a more likely explanation for the destruction of the Twin Towers than the official government story. Based on further research and conversations with fellow employees with extensive explosives expertise, it did not take long for him to see that the evidence pointed very strongly to 9/11 having been a neocon false flag operation designed to falsely blame Muslims for something they did not do in order to ignite the “war on terror” against them for the benefit of Israel. Ever since then he has been working hard with many others to obtain true justice in the exposure apprehension conviction and punishment of the many real perpetrators who have so far eluded justice. He has said, “The blood of many thousands if not millions in the world who have lost their lives and suffered horribly because of their traitorous schemes cries out for them to be brought to justice and severely punished.”
In 2010 he became concerned when consulting with some retired military veterans with explosives experience that the evidence for nanothermite as a potential destructive agent for the twin towers was being overemphasized with exaggerated claims of its destructive potential, and in particular making unfounded claims that nanothermite could be a high explosive. This was leading many to believe that there was no need to look any further than nanothermite to explain the entirety of the wtc destructions.
Based on his research in conjunction with others, by 2011 after searching the technical literature he had found that the highest detonation velocity obtained for an aluminum iron oxide nanothermite was 895 m/s, nowhere near that of a typical conventional high explosive like TNT with a detonation velocity of 6900 m/s. Shortly thereafter, he and some others reported these results in various ways on the internet and in print. His modest claim of benefit of this research is to have simply helped reign in the exaggerated claims that were being made for nanothermite, so that other more credible means of explosive destruction might not be foolishly overlooked.
He applauds Jeff Prager’s tireless work in continuing to research and present evidence for the most credible hypotheses of the means of destruction used to take out the wtc towers, culminating in the publication of the English version of the book, "The Ground Zero Model," by Physicist Heinz Pommer and Colleagues, in June 2020.
Mr. Hightower is a member of Scholars for 911 Truth, a petition signer at Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth, and a member of Pilots for 911 Truth. He is a contributor to the book “America Nuked on 9/11” from Moon Rock Books edited by Jim Fetzer, and a contributor to the 2018 Memoranda for the President on 9/11 Truth organized by Robert David Steele. He is also a life member of both the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics and the American Institute of Chemical Engineers.
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2 thoughts on “Rebuttal to Flat Earth argument: Lines of latitude and longitude are distorted to hide the flat earth”
Hey coward Just show me 1 real pic of your silly ball earth or the Hubble telescope, iss or a satellite.
Asshole and a coward .
Verbal diarrhea. Go back to tv programming NASA and GOVT you coward